i'm saying they're probably going to raise an insanity defense. after all, who, as you said at the out set, gretchen, is going to kill somebody for the thrill of it? >> insanity? they knew enough to go on craigslist. >> doug is a great defense lawyer. that's what you're going to argue. that's all you have. key piece of evidence for me? what did they do after the stabbing? she goes. this is on surveillance. she goes and buying cleaning products to clean everything up. >> there it goes, doug. bye-bye. >> you're cleaning up the crime, you know right from wrong. >> let's see where you come out on this one, doug. because there's another newlywed case. remember this story? the newlyweds, then they go to the grand canyon, i believe it e. and the wife allegedly pushes her brand-new husband off the cliff. she says they were fighting and it was an accident. that he accidentally fell back. there was talk about that maybe he had been blindfolded. but the trial starts today. what's going to happen in this case? >> she's going to be convicted of something. i do